again, i'm saying with something like sandy, sandy requires fema help. yes. i agree with that. question is, how, when, where and why and how? down through our history your column says the united states has had a different structure and more federalism and more use of state and local government. >> absolutely, larry. this is a "bloomberg" column that says, goes back to prewar and notes when we had a crisis often the red cross would lead it. the red cross would have the moral support and organizational support of the government, but the red cross would lead and go down. there was a very famous flood in "forgotten man" and my new book "the biography of coolidge," the flood of the mississippi. it was terrible. the president did not go down. that was coolidge. why not? he wanted the states and the private sector and the charities to take the lead. >> i got to leave it there. we're going to finish this conversation on the radio tomorrow. that's what we're going to. we're going to have more time. that's terrific. thanks. that's it for this evening's show. thanks for watching. stay tun